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(:SleepingMomo:)Obelisk Blue
Posts : 50
Age : 28
Location : Behind you O_o
Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:38 am
Decks Used: Tester/Tested
40-42 +2points 43+ 0points
Deck Build: 0/23
Uses of Card: 0/20
Misplays: 0/20
Control of the duel: 0/15
Rulings 0/20 4questions 5points each
-75 Slifer
75-90 Ra
90-100Obe
There will be no win/lose points because its not about that its about skill
3single duels with different decks Testers can uses any deck while tested cant uses Meta Burn mill exodia FTK/OTK etc.
This is to see how good the tested can work with different situation
40-42 +2points 43+ 0points
Deck Build: 0/23
Uses of Card: 0/20
Misplays: 0/20
Control of the duel: 0/15
Rulings 0/20 4questions 5points each
-75 Slifer
75-90 Ra
90-100Obe
There will be no win/lose points because its not about that its about skill
3single duels with different decks Testers can uses any deck while tested cant uses Meta Burn mill exodia FTK/OTK etc.
This is to see how good the tested can work with different situation
GuestGuest
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:39 am
Duels are best 2/3 with siding.
The ones testing will post the following under "Test Results" section:
I used (your deck) vs his/her (their deck)
Deck Construction: ?/20
(How well it all flowed together as a deck)
Dueling Skills: ?/25
(How well the person being tested played overall. Ex: Knowledge, Sportsmanship, how well he/she countered you, getting out of tough spots)
Deck Size: ?/5
(40-42 Cards = 5/5, 43-46 = 3/5, 47-50 = 1/5, 51-60 = 0/5)
Ruling Knowledge: ?/10
(Basic ruling mistakes and knowledge of cards, Each mistake is -2 points)
Match Results: ?/10
(2-0 Testee vs Tester - 10/10, 2-1 Testee vs Tester - 6/10, 1-2 Testee vs Tester - 2/10, 0-2 Testee vs Tester - 0/10)
Control of the duel: ?/10
( Give score depending on how much control they had in both duels)
Deck Creativity/Originality: ?/10
( Give a score based on what you saw about if their deck was creative/original or if it was just like the rest)
Ruling questions: ?/10
(Give out 2 ruling questions from testing section of your choice, each questions is worth 5 points)
Total Score: ?/100
Suggestions:
(Write down suggestions on how they can improve their deck,
Give tips on cards they shouldnt need, cards they should put in and strategies/Combos they can do. Write it as a list and be detailed please).
Dorms:
Slifer red = 0 - 65
Ra Yellow = 66 - 85
Obelisk Blue = 86 - 100
The ones testing will post the following under "Test Results" section:
I used (your deck) vs his/her (their deck)
Deck Construction: ?/20
(How well it all flowed together as a deck)
Dueling Skills: ?/25
(How well the person being tested played overall. Ex: Knowledge, Sportsmanship, how well he/she countered you, getting out of tough spots)
Deck Size: ?/5
(40-42 Cards = 5/5, 43-46 = 3/5, 47-50 = 1/5, 51-60 = 0/5)
Ruling Knowledge: ?/10
(Basic ruling mistakes and knowledge of cards, Each mistake is -2 points)
Match Results: ?/10
(2-0 Testee vs Tester - 10/10, 2-1 Testee vs Tester - 6/10, 1-2 Testee vs Tester - 2/10, 0-2 Testee vs Tester - 0/10)
Control of the duel: ?/10
( Give score depending on how much control they had in both duels)
Deck Creativity/Originality: ?/10
( Give a score based on what you saw about if their deck was creative/original or if it was just like the rest)
Ruling questions: ?/10
(Give out 2 ruling questions from testing section of your choice, each questions is worth 5 points)
Total Score: ?/100
Suggestions:
(Write down suggestions on how they can improve their deck,
Give tips on cards they shouldnt need, cards they should put in and strategies/Combos they can do. Write it as a list and be detailed please).
Dorms:
Slifer red = 0 - 65
Ra Yellow = 66 - 85
Obelisk Blue = 86 - 100
- slonakaUltimate Elite
Posts : 17
Age : 31
Location : Bulgaria
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:45 am
Like Monica's one! Easy,simple and interesting.
LOKOSSlifer Red
- Posts : 57
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:52 am
Yeah i have been tested with the way what monice posted and i think its the best even though i dont like changing decks so much.
AlexRa Yellow Leader
- Posts : 211
Age : 28
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:55 am
Well then let's use Monica's way of testing, i think everyone likes it. From what i understand we will get retested right? or is Dzzzzzz planing to confuse me? 
DigiObelisk Blue- Posts : 5
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:15 pm
I vote neither. Math models do not prove much regardless of how you move the numbers around. The numbers are meaningless and empty--left to be estimated by the tester themselves. At the very least the type of system that should be used is an Analytical system. This is where the Tester basically jots down notes of the match and analyzes the duelist, makes a decision based upon observation, and tun types a paragraph or so explaining the faults in the testee (thus explaining why they failed to meet X rank/dorm) and finally offers advice on how they can improve. At the very least this helps the overall performance of the duelists at the academy rather than shooting them down with heavily biased and empty numbers.
I personally despise testing systems in general when it comes to large scaled practices such as entrance exams because it always demands a number of qualified people to not only be available, but to do their job right. The goal of an academy is, of coarse, to have fun. However, if you wish to criticize people, then you may as well be constructive about it.
I personally despise testing systems in general when it comes to large scaled practices such as entrance exams because it always demands a number of qualified people to not only be available, but to do their job right. The goal of an academy is, of coarse, to have fun. However, if you wish to criticize people, then you may as well be constructive about it.
psychoturtleModerator
- Posts : 32
Age : 28
Location : Croatia
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:19 pm
Digi is right here. She stated the best idea and I would go with it. Testing system is a disaster atm and this is the right way to change it.
MinatoAdministrator
- Posts : 235
Age : 26
Location : Florida 
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:27 pm
Digi wrote:I vote neither. Math models do not prove much regardless of how you move the numbers around. The numbers are meaningless and empty--left to be estimated by the tester themselves. At the very least the type of system that should be used is an Analytical system. This is where the Tester basically jots down notes of the match and analyzes the duelist, makes a decision based upon observation, and tun types a paragraph or so explaining the faults in the testee (thus explaining why they failed to meet X rank/dorm) and finally offers advice on how they can improve. At the very least this helps the overall performance of the duelists at the academy rather than shooting them down with heavily biased and empty numbers.
I personally despise testing systems in general when it comes to large scaled practices such as entrance exams because it always demands a number of qualified people to not only be available, but to do their job right. The goal of an academy is, of coarse, to have fun. However, if you wish to criticize people, then you may as well be constructive about it.
[7/31/12 11:25:46 AM] Neji: Digi owns you all
[7/31/12 11:25:51 AM] DarkFusion: ofc she does
I vote for this ;o
My original idea was a written exam of like 10-15 questions and then a physical exam to determine your total rank
- LOKOSSlifer Red
- Posts : 57
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:44 pm
Heh after reading Digi idea i was pretty amazed Meh what can i say its a good one. Also Neji what physical test? Lol it sounds fun
Meh what can i say its a good one. Also Neji what physical test? Lol it sounds fun - MinatoAdministrator
- Posts : 235
Age : 26
Location : Florida
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:49 pm
LOKOS wrote:Heh after reading Digi idea i was pretty amazed
Ruling questions
Duel
;o
I guess...
- AlexRa Yellow Leader
- Posts : 211
Age : 28
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:51 pm
You still need to figure out the time between 2 consecutive tests, and get testers to test people not moderators, most people were tested by moderators.
- MinatoAdministrator
- Posts : 235
Age : 26
Location : Florida
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:53 pm
AlexRager wrote:You still need to figure out the time between 2 consecutive tests, and get testers to test people not moderators, most people were tested by moderators.
Some mods can also test.
- AlexRa Yellow Leader
- Posts : 211
Age : 28
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:55 pm
Minato wrote:AlexRager wrote:You still need to figure out the time between 2 consecutive tests, and get testers to test people not moderators, most people were tested by moderators.
Some mods can also test.
I see, either way you still need to figure the time between 2 tests (for a person)
- MinatoAdministrator
- Posts : 235
Age : 26
Location : Florida
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:57 pm
^Yea
Another idea is a Tournament or Event
Gathering unranked members... the 2 winners get obelisk, 3rd place is Ra and the rest Slifer.
Meh
Another idea is a Tournament or Event
Gathering unranked members... the 2 winners get obelisk, 3rd place is Ra and the rest Slifer.
Meh
- DigiObelisk Blue
- Posts : 5
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:00 pm
If this is such a huge deal, then there should be no problem having the staff team (mods and admins) to conclude with the right to test untested members. Upon entering, you can have a dozen testers, yet a few active ones. It is important to have a helping hand. That is one of the plenty reasons why I personally despise any testing system (aside a war team try out which isn't as demanding.) With plentiful experience as a staff member in other places (and in the past here,) I know well enough that there will always be a shortage of testers, inaccuracy and attitude problems with said testers. Nonetheless, the philosophical goal of improving the dueling performance of the general community with a mere testing system is improbable due to said problems alongside the common folk's inability to give a damn about the results (as well as the contents in them regardless of how helpful the results may be,) resulting to you forever sucking.AlexRager wrote:You still need to figure out the time between 2 consecutive tests, and get testers to test people not moderators, most people were tested by moderators.
- AlexRa Yellow Leader
- Posts : 211
Age : 28
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:04 pm
Digi wrote:If this is such a huge deal, then there should be no problem having the staff team (mods and admins) to conclude with the right to test untested members. Upon entering, you can have a dozen testers, yet a few active ones. It is important to have a helping hand. That is one of the plenty reasons why I personally despise any testing system (aside a war team try out which isn't as demanding.) With plentiful experience as a staff member in other places (and in the past here,) I know well enough that there will always be a shortage of testers, inaccuracy and attitude problems with said testers. Nonetheless, the philosophical goal of improving the dueling performance of the general community with a mere testing system is improbable due to said problems alongside the common folk's inability to give a damn about the results (as well as the contents in them regardless of how helpful the results may be,) resulting to you forever sucking.AlexRager wrote:You still need to figure out the time between 2 consecutive tests, and get testers to test people not moderators, most people were tested by moderators.
Well i don't give a damn about the results, if you don't believe me go read my test results, the reason why i wan't to know all of this is because i am slightly confused upon the testing system, and it would be nice to have a finalized system soon.
- DigiObelisk Blue
- Posts : 5
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:14 pm
Made my point already. You do not care for the results, so why should the staff bother making you any test system especially if they do approve mine, which will be a few paragraphs long for each result? It is really not a hard read, yet so many people see it as so.
L.LawlietUltimate Elite- Posts : 5
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:37 pm
Asking "questions" outside of the duel is pointless. Dueling for your "rank" is what matters.
Given that Digi's kinda right, there has to be someone that surely knows the game and how to play correctly, to even "test" someone, but here is where she is also wrong. Academies have different testers. Each academy has their standards and preferences, some have dorms, some doesn't - some use Testing System with simply asking the person who wants to be tested a number of questions, some just duel - 2/3 using 1 deck only, some wants 3 decks (nobody wants 2 decks...). All that pointless stuff said, academies are different, don't try to make them the same.
A basic knowledge of the game, such as: knowing what's an Inherent summon and what's non-Inherent summon, understanding the card text and etc - this and probably the result of the match you had with your tester (given if win or lose) can get you to the blue dorm - Obelisk.
Now I suggest that there should be a 4th dorm - elite, where only few members are permitted to join. The other test should be the same as now - duel with 1 to 3 decks, each duel should be a match - 2/3 with siding ofc, during the duels the test should ask basic questions about the game, that's about it.
Given that Digi's kinda right, there has to be someone that surely knows the game and how to play correctly, to even "test" someone, but here is where she is also wrong. Academies have different testers. Each academy has their standards and preferences, some have dorms, some doesn't - some use Testing System with simply asking the person who wants to be tested a number of questions, some just duel - 2/3 using 1 deck only, some wants 3 decks (nobody wants 2 decks...). All that pointless stuff said, academies are different, don't try to make them the same.
A basic knowledge of the game, such as: knowing what's an Inherent summon and what's non-Inherent summon, understanding the card text and etc - this and probably the result of the match you had with your tester (given if win or lose) can get you to the blue dorm - Obelisk.
Now I suggest that there should be a 4th dorm - elite, where only few members are permitted to join. The other test should be the same as now - duel with 1 to 3 decks, each duel should be a match - 2/3 with siding ofc, during the duels the test should ask basic questions about the game, that's about it.
- GuestGuest
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:14 pm
Geez guys this doesnt have to be that complicated... pick a format and get the new menbers tested
Pantheon XReporter
- Posts : 40
Age : 30
Re: Suggestion
Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:51 pm
i preffer the format that digi used, but it isnt my decision.
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